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Solar Energy Is Ready. The U.S. Isn't

Business Week -- Clean energy has become a dirty word in presidential politics. In their second debate, Mitt Romney and Barack Obama each tried to outdo the other’s love of fossil fuels: Obama extolling his record on oil and natural gas production, Romney vowing to take “advantage of the oil and coal we have here.” The Republican candidate has ridiculed the administration’s $535 million loan guarantee to Solyndra, the bankrupt California-based solar panel maker, and accused Obama of living “in an imaginary world where government-subsidized windmills and solar panels could power the economy.”

The candidates’ coolness to renewable energy comes at a time when the domestic supply of traditional energy sources, such as oil and natural gas, is at an all-time high. And yet this failure to make the promise of ren


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E-Squirrel
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2012 6:37:09 PM

honda0105 asks:

"Unless you meant that sarcastically?"

"Subsidies to the OIL Companies", are basically a myth, promulgated to justify actual subsidies to other companies. So, no, I wasn't intending to be sarcastic.

I live in Orange County, which is located in Southern California, just south of the Los Angeles area. California has many companies in the energy business, including in petroleum and other "alternative" energy businesses.

[Edited by: E-Squirrel at 10/29/2012 7:39:12 PM EST]
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honda0105
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2012 5:13:37 AM

E-Squirrel: not sure where you live. 6 BILLION dollars in subsidies and tax breaks given to Pig Oil isn't exactly what I'd call "no and we haven't." Unless you meant that sarcastically?
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2012 11:59:58 PM

alex395 - "Ready? How soon we forget-Solyndra."

A perfect example of how the Chinese were better at it than we were.
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E-Squirrel
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2012 6:10:23 PM

SparkieMi asks:

"Are we still subsidizing the oil companies ????"

No, and we haven't.
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alex395
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2012 8:32:50 AM

Ready? How soon we forget-Solyndra.
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DrCashFlow
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2012 7:23:27 AM

it's all about early adopters willing to pay the price for the concept but lousy roi so the less wealthy can make more reasonable solar investments
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2012 2:28:23 AM

Links are your friend.

See #4.

[Edited by: rjhenn at 10/28/2012 3:28:48 AM EST]
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bston
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2012 12:01:53 AM

May take several decades to make a more smooth transition.
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"The United States alone has about 69 billion square feet of appropriate residential rooftops that could be generating electricity from the sun," Stevens said. "The sunlight falling on those roofs could generate at least 50 percent of the nation's electricity, and some estimates put that number closer to 100 percent. With earth-abundant technology, that energy could be harvested, at an enormous benefit to consumers and the environment."
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Atwater, a physicist at the California Institute of Technology, and Stevens, a chemist with The Dow Chemical Company, lead a partnership between their institutions to develop new electronic materials suitable for use in solar-energy-conversion devices.

Atwater and Stevens described development and testing of new devices made with zinc phosphide and copper oxide that broke records for both electrical current and voltage achieved by existing so-called thin-film solar energy conversion devices made with zinc and copper. The advance adds to evidence that materials like zinc phosphide and copper oxide should be capable of achieving very high efficiencies, producing electricity at a cost approaching that of coal-fired power plants. That milestone could come within 20 years, Atwater said.

Stevens helped develop Dow's PowerHouse Solar Shingle, introduced in October 2011, which generates electricity and nevertheless can be installed like traditional roofing. The shingles use copper indium gallium diselenide photovoltaic technology. His team now is eyeing incorporation of sustainable earth-abundant materials into PowerHouse shingles, making them more widely available.



[Edited by: Wolfman_TJack at 10/27/2012 4:27:01 AM EST]
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Wolfman_TJack
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2012 3:25:50 AM

New Solar Panels Made With More Common Metals Could Be Cheaper and More Sustainable.

With enough sunlight falling on home roofs to supply at least half of America's electricity, scientists today described advances toward the less-expensive solar energy technology needed to roof many of those homes with shingles that generate electricity.

Shingles that generate electricity from the sun, and can be installed like traditional roofing, already are a commercial reality. But the advance ? a new world performance record for solar cells made with "earth-abundant" materials ? could make them more affordable and ease the integration of photovoltaics into other parts of buildings, the scientists said.

The new photovoltaic technology uses abundant, less-expensive materials like copper and zinc ? "earth-abundant materials" ? instead of indium, gallium and other so-called "rare earth" elements. These substances not only are scarce, but are supplied largely by foreign countries, with China mining more than 90 percent of the rare earths needed for batteries in hybrid cars, magnets, electronics and other high-tech products. Atwater and James C. Stevens, Ph.D., described successful efforts to replace rare earth and other costly metals in photovoltaic devices with materials that are less-expensive and more sustainable.

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Wolfman_TJack
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2012 2:40:50 AM

SandeeC - "I'm not sure that solar energy is ready - if it were, why are all the companies going belly up?"

Because the Chinese were better at it than we were.
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LainyBoggs
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2012 1:07:11 AM

I wish I could afford this kind of electricity, this would be great, we have a county pressing this kind of way but I wish i could for reals!
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alterman156
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 11:48:35 PM

The U.S. should get solar ready.
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MotoDad
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 11:05:37 PM

needs to be more cost effective.
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kma3141
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 11:03:49 PM

Solar has been around here and feasible for 20 years. Not sure what you guys have against it.
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rahcat
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 11:03:12 PM

Old News
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SandeeC
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 10:59:58 PM

I'm not sure that solar energy is ready - if it were, why are all the companies going belly up?
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andy1024
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 10:59:17 PM

Get ready then!
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DustyHorse
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 10:58:20 PM

Solar is not ready for most applications.
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 10:56:49 PM

“Solar energy may NEVER be cost-effective.”
“Solar panels still expensive.”
“Solar is expensive and that is why the us [sic] isn't ready. . .”
“Too expensive right now to be feasible.”

Four consecutive comments and all out of touch with current conditions. Solar is now economically feasible in most areas and a real deal in the sunny regions.

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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 10:56:35 PM

The solar power enthusiast in the media and environmental groups just cannot come to grips with the fact that solar electricity generation is just not ready for prime time in terms of user costs, esthetics or year around all day availability and will not be within the foreseeable future. The basic truth is that if it were not for governmental use mandates from state and city governments and the generous taxpayer funded Federal, state, county and city tax, grant or loan subsidies, there would be practically no solar industry in the US or anywhere else in the world.

If solar based electricity generation is economically viable for consumer and industrial scale electricity production with today’s technology, then solar based electricity generation will make it in the market without any taxpayer funded assistance, a.k.a. subsidies or government use mandates. If solar based electricity generation is not economically viable on its own unassisted economic merits with today’s technology, then we need to rescind the use mandates, cease subsidizing production phase solar companies and sustain the current level or perhaps even increase the current level of R&D into making solar electricity practical, economically justified and ascetically acceptable.
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SparkieMi
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 10:54:28 PM

Many good posts.... Are we still subsidizing the oil companies ????
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 10:50:57 PM

it needs to be made affordable
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 10:49:49 PM

I'll be so glad that in 10 days all this crap will be over with.
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 10:49:44 PM

I suppose that's why SOLYNDRA didn't make it
had nothing to do with cost and affordabilityJUST TAX the rich to buy everybody's panels
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 10:49:04 PM

When it's made here, not China! I mean the technology.
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 10:46:41 PM

pricey
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 10:45:08 PM

Obama does not support fossil fuels.
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 10:42:40 PM

It this were feasible it would already have been accomplished by hundreds if not thousands of just plain joes like the guy in the story with a second home in Hawaii
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 10:42:37 PM

OLD NEWS
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Shakleelady31
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 10:41:13 PM

How can we trust that solar energy is ready?
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 10:39:51 PM

solar is not ready until it can compete without subsidies.
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 10:39:12 PM

Too expensive right now to be feasible.
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 10:38:40 PM

Solar is expensive and that is why the us isn't ready who can afford it.
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 10:38:37 PM

Solar panels still expensive.
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bonzoonfmb
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 10:38:27 PM

Solar energy may NEVER be cost-effective.
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 10:37:59 PM

We can survive without greedy subsides from taxpayers.
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g747
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 10:37:50 PM

Well the president is trying to make us ready.Sometimes things don't go well as planned;but once all the bugs are worked out;look for a better & cleaner enviroment.
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 10:33:43 PM

Solar energy is NOT ready. It can not survive without greedy subsidies from taxpayers.
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granitestater
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 10:32:35 PM

Solar isn't all its cracked up to be...
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AuburnTim
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 10:30:13 PM

The true fact is that the majority of us can't afford it. Until it becomes more affordable or fossil fuels cost more than solar not many will even consider it.
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vinroc31
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 10:26:51 PM

Correct
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 10:25:51 PM

Give it a rest.
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wayoung56
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 10:20:49 PM

Once they make it more affordable and efficient/reliable, then it might be an option worth considering, not now though...
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 10:18:43 PM

ok
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 10:18:03 PM

It isn't easy and it has a huge upfront cost. Major barriers for consumers. Not so ready!

The problem is that solar firms have always approached this as a technical issue and have never tried consumer engagement on what they want.
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 10:15:22 PM

Obviously solar energy is not ready or so many companies would not be going bankrupt.
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2012 10:12:08 PM

Obama lost so muych money on "Green ideas" I just want to support USA and Canada..... not OPEC!
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