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Keystone XL breaks ground in Texas

The Washington Post -- Early last year, TransCanada started the Keystone pipeline with little fuss or fanfare. It runs from Canada to Steele City, Neb., then east to Wood River and Patoka, Ill. And it got the required permits from the State Department and other agencies.

The company’s next pipeline, the Keystone XL, followed a different route on the ground — and in the political arena, kicking up controversy.

Why didn’t TransCanada use the same route as for the Keystone line?

The first pipeline entered the United States farther to the east and ran down the eastern edge of Nebraska, farther from the state’s ecologically sensitive Sandhills and Ogallala Aquifer.

For Keystone XL, he said, TransCanada looked for a more direct path.

TransCanada spokesman Shawn Howard explains the first Keystone line


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Submitted Sep 25, 2012 By: Martinman
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honda0105
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2012 11:00:08 PM

hope it will not be taken by force.
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teenitup
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2012 10:40:43 AM

It was posted that Holland of Texas Rice Land Partners was offered almost half a million dollars for the easement! He rejected it.

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honda0105
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2012 7:40:16 AM

agree w/ LEC and Mm.

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LetemEatCake
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 10:24:28 PM


Agree with Martins's several comments! Unfortunately it is almost a done deal in TX because of there Railroad Commissions past actions.

I can only hope that in OK with the many sovereign Indian land, that this pipeline will become a non-issue! As in NO pipeline!
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teenitup
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 2:23:22 PM

The Texas Property Code addresses Eminent Domain at great length as well, hardly a rubber stamp.

Texas Property Code
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teenitup
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 2:19:59 PM

Lots of semantics being tossed around here.

The article is correct in reference to the Keystone XL reference.

From wiki " It consists of the operational "Keystone Pipeline" and "Keystone-Cushing Extension", and two proposed pipeline expansion segments, referred to as Keystone XL Pipeline and the Gulf Coast Project. After the Keystone XL pipeline segments are completed, American crude oil would enter the XL pipelines at Baker, Montana and Cushing, Oklahoma.[1]"

And according to the 1975 EPCA act since the XL segment from Hardisty to Baker Wyoming to Steele City Nebraska (separate drone the original Keystone from Hardisty to Steele City) will carry US Bakken crude, thus commingled with Canadian crude, the oil cannot be exported unless the President deems export is in the national interest (very rarely has this ever happened).
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Martinman
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 12:44:32 PM

Also realize that the above article, as written, is partially incorrect.

Those portions of the recently completed pipeline on the U.S. side of the border, *are* part of the Keystone XL pipeline project.

- Phase I involved the construction from the existing natural gas pipeline in Canada, to the Wood River refinery and Patoka storage facility extension - both in Illinois. (completed June 2010)

- Phase II involved construction of the Steele City Nebraska to Cushing Oklahoma section - both of which lay east of the Ogallala Aquifer. (completed February 2011)

- Phase III involves the current Cushing Oklahoma, to Nederland Texas, segment that is in dispute.

- Phase IV invovles the Canada to Steel City Nebraska routing that was stopped before any construction began.
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 12:33:25 PM

Thank you for posting.
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Martinman
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 12:31:06 PM

That is how the Texas state Code is written.

It is little more than a rubber-stamp process, with no safegaurds, no verifications, no accountability. And despite recent propositions placed on the state ballot, the laws as passed still do not address the underlying problem of the proper use of Eminent Domain.

Back to the discussion.

TransCanada has been trying to use the "shortest-route" argument as the entire basis for its environmental assessments of the pipeline's impact. It is a faulty-logic argument, in that it treats all "disturbances" the same. That is, that the short-term environmental "disturbance" of construction is of equal to the long-term consequences of a spill.

And given TransCanada's poor track record for the already completed sections of the pipeline - 35 reportable spills/leaks in the first year of operation - it does not bode well for a pipeline of even longer length transiting the central U.S.

The "shortest-route" argument is the reason why there was such objection by Nebraska landowners.

And now that other landowners have seen this, they too chose to fight-back.

Do realize, there has already been one landowner that HAS been successful in preventing the Keystone XL pipeline from crossing her property.
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Martinman
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 12:18:45 PM

Hey...

only in the United States of Corporate America!

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"This land was your land
And now its our land
We stole from you
Your courts ruled we can
We trample your forests
And foul your waters
In this land, we steal your property..."
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 11:55:02 AM

Interesting to read this right after reading how they are going to start building on private property before they go through the legal proceedings.
I'm just gonna drive this Prius off the lot because I put in the car loan application...
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Martinman
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 11:21:59 AM

You need to read the article. The EPA is not involved in this issue. This is a State Department issue.
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 10:30:00 AM

Build the Pipeline inspite of the the Delays from Obummer's EPA
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 9:24:52 AM

Things are shaping up well for the pipeline.
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 8:57:11 AM

Alright Now
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 8:36:00 AM

Thank you Martinman below - - - - - you have spoken for many ! ! ! ! ! ! !
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 8:32:38 AM

<<" The facts are widely available, neither country will see a drop of the refined tar sands. We will only see another yacht in the water for the brothers.">>

Where are these facts available?

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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 8:00:28 AM

Dodge_Me from atlanta posted...

"Wonder how many other peoples land will be stolen "

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All of them.

Unless there is a Supreme Court ruling equivalent to "Kelo v. the City of New London" - in favor of the landowners.

In Texas alone, 850+ landowners are affected by the short segment of pipeline passing through eastern Texas - which is not much wider (north-to-south) than the Texas panhandle.

The last time I checked, there were roughly 100 landowners per state (NE, KS, OK, TX) opposing TransCanada's Eminent Domain efforts, with smaller numbers opposing from the Dakotas.
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 6:13:32 AM

Money will win out as it always does.
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:41:25 PM

“There are already many pipelines that are operating successfully, I don't know why this one would be any different.”

Mostly because of what would be in it — a highly corrosive, low net energy product that is mined (not drilled) at great expense and with huge environmental problems that Canada seems disinterested in addressing. We do not need it.

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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:34:29 PM

Wonder how many other peoples land will be stolen
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:32:39 PM

Alberta’s tar-sands oil is one of the dirtiest sources of energy and also has a very low net energy content. Mining it is creating an environmental disaster in the Canadian sub-arctic; it would be good if the Canadians woke up to what these tar-sands projects are doing to their country. And in a perverse effect, the XL pipeline would be likely to cause midwestern gas prices to increase. Building the southern leg may help reduce the oil bottleneck at Cushing but north of Cushing the rest of it will just import junk oil we do not need.

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Lets go Romney!
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:25:52 PM

ok
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Get out of the way Obama.
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Probably will be tied up in court shortly.
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:07:10 PM

No wonder Koch brainwashing works so well. I can't believe how elated people are to stuff more money in to the brothers pockets, while they put Canada's and the United States natural resources at risk. How can everyone think this is going to benefit both countries in some way? The facts are widely available, neither country will see a drop of the refined tar sands. We will only see another yacht in the water for the brothers.
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:01:06 PM

To bad they have to use the gov't take over policy
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:00:28 PM

cool
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:00:25 PM

There are already many pipelines that are operating successfully, I don't know why this one would be any different.
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 10:57:15 PM

about time.
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Texas is stillout of touch with the world.
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 10:45:08 PM

build Keystone
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 10:44:34 PM

ok
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 10:43:08 PM

lets see where the money re-investment goes
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 10:42:59 PM

Interesting
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 10:40:22 PM

this may not be eminent domain because the end product will be sold overseas
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 10:39:44 PM

k
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 10:39:35 PM

Eminent domain should not be used.
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 10:39:21 PM

After KEYSTONE STEALS the LAND to run the pipeline, sets up HUGE FUTURE ECOLOGICAL DISASTERS in case of spills, they will use the pipeline to EXPORT THE OIL TO CHINA, not use it in the USA!!
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Lol Chas58!!!!
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 10:35:40 PM

I am still not a fan of the Keystone XL...
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 10:34:18 PM

They get the pipe and we get the shaft.
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 10:34:17 PM

I hope they can get it underway before long.
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 10:32:09 PM

I'm just waiting for the but. And how it's going to benefit us.
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I'm tired of people who whine.....
how will it raise prices??
why not buy their oil and tell the middle east to stick it?
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Hmmmmmmm...
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Keystone XL = Higher Price at the pump! All this does is allow Canada to deliver their oil to port where it can be sold on the world market. Right now the oil is land locked and has a lower price. Just watch... This will lead to environmental issues in the USA and higher profits for Canada!
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We’ve had a few arrested were they are staging to lay the pipeline. They’ve been handcuffing themselves to equipment.
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i m all for bringing crude here safely, but this is worrisome.
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