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U.S. Air Force tests biofuel at $59 per gallon

Reuters -- The U.S. Navy angered Republicans by spending $26 a gallon for biofuels for this week's Great Green Fleet demonstration, but the Air Force received little attention when it paid twice as much per gallon to test synthetic jet fuel last month.

The Air Force bought 11,000 gallons of alcohol-to-jet fuel from Gevo Inc, a Colorado biofuels company, at $59 a gallon in a program aimed at proving that new alternative fuels can be used reliably in military aircraft - once, that is, their pricing is competitive with petroleum, which now costs $3.60 a gallon.

The cost of the Air Force demonstration - $639,000 - was far less eye-catching than the $12 million the Navy spent for biofuels to power a carrier strike group on alternative energy for a day.


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Submitted Jul 16, 2012 By: Mudsprings
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WHAT?!?!
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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 7:18:02 PM

On Jul 16, 2012 7:00:19 PM, singlemom27 wrote:

>The military needs to learn the "Proof of Concept" method for doing things
>on a very small scale to see if they're possible before investing large sums
>of money on a theory.

They do try things on a very small scale before they invest much money. For example, the military runs a multiengine plane with one engine running on the tested fuel and all the others running on conventional fuel so they don't crash the plane. Only if the fuel passes all requirements for a substitute fuel do they entrust it with a whole airplane.

>Who thought powering an entire carrier strike group was a good way to test
>something early in development?

A carrier strike group runs their missions having sufficient fuel. The only way they can determine that all engines can run on the substitute fuel is to actually run an actual exercise on the new fuel. The logistics are a lot cheaper if the military adopts a standard fuel that has backup sources of fuel.
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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 7:16:27 PM

>>singlemom27, The military needs to learn the "Proof of Concept" method for doing things on a very small scale to see if they're possible before investing large sums of money on a theory. Who thought powering an entire carrier strike group was a good way to test something early in development..<<

Answer the simple question...who benefited from this endeavor? $12 million spent to power a carrier strike force for a day! Someone is going to have a good Christmas. Green Energy...the gift that keeps on giving...just not back to the taxpayers.
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Yeah, you said it speedys.
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End corporate welfare!
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ahh, my tax dollars at work
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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 7:08:02 PM

When the volume of usage increases, the price should come down to something more reasonable.
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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 7:07:58 PM

singlemom27, this is the Obama regime's decision, not the military's.
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OMG
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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 7:05:37 PM

It is way too much money paid to see if something will work.
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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 7:00:19 PM

The military needs to learn the "Proof of Concept" method for doing things on a very small scale to see if they're possible before investing large sums of money on a theory. Who thought powering an entire carrier strike group was a good way to test something early in development?
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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 6:59:15 PM

ok
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LostAgain2009, you truly are lost! I have criticized Republicans many times. I call a spade a spade, unlike you left-wingers which continue to cry foul whenever someone uncovers stupidity by your lefty leaders. If a Republican is backing any of this, I would be all for replacing him/her with a conservative.
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Government owns the printing press and it can burn as much money as it wants.
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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 6:53:37 PM

Don't you mean that the U.S. tax payer paid that price for fuel!!
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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 6:52:35 PM

More stupidity by our government spending money almost 15 times higher than they should be for a gallon of fuel.
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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 6:51:32 PM

Forget it pupmer9x9. The likes of Alaydown will never believe anything that in any way hints of their biggest bogeymen: anything using green technology, anything done by the current administration, or anything that even hints at "liberal socialism". (We all do know that "global warming" is a socialist plot, don't we?).
Now, if it was a Republican administration such costs would be fully justifiable and anyone that said otherwise would be labelled a traitor and a Commie.
Go figure!

[Edited by: LostAgain2009 at 7/16/2012 7:52:07 PM EST]
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ok
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Oil is going end someday need to learn what works now.
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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 6:43:51 PM

Well said, heysailor, except IATA lists jet fuel currently at $2.80 gallon equivalent. Granted, this is an average across all blends, and the military pays a premium of 3-4x, but Reuters $3.6o isn't a ridiculous price to see quoted in an article.
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heysailor- A voice of reason under a tent of imbeciles.
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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 6:39:12 PM

Too high for tax payers.
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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 6:38:15 PM

not very cheap :)
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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 6:35:54 PM

These are just more examples of how the Obama regime has their priorities all wrong. The Obama supporters on this website continue to double down on stupidity by defending this action. Some unsuccessfully attempt to deflect criticism to Republicans without defending this waste of our precious tax dollars within the shrinking Defense budget.

No, it is not a good idea to spend lots of money on a program that will jeopardize our military. The military needs fuel, and lots of it. You don't waste money on expensive fuel that you cannot easily resupply. So it is both wasteful and harmful to our national security.

If you want Obama to continue such a program, let him pay for it himself out of his own pocket.



[Edited by: Alaydown at 7/16/2012 7:38:50 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 6:32:07 PM

$12 Million for bio-fuels for 1 day?? OMG
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before they use they have to figure out how well it works. Maybe you naysayers can have that hammered into your thick skulls with a $200 hammer
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I was in the military, and know about how much is wasted...Americans have no idea!
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That is crazy!
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A voice of reason from heysailor. Thank you.
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what a BHO bargain!
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sweet
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most biofuels are more expensive and less efficient
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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 6:20:49 PM

Fortunately it was just a test run but it is still an indicator how big the military procurement gravy train could be.
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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 6:20:42 PM

I remember Rick Santorum questioning the need for buying cruise missiles to replace the ones we shot during the first Gulf War. We had used a lot of them and needed to replenish our stocks so they would be on hand when we needed them again. You can't build them overnight.

So it is with the current chickenhawk stance on biofuels. Yes, it's expensive but we need to develop the capability and develop it to a large scale. At some point petroleum based fuel might not be available at any cost and we'll need the stuff made from slime.

The Republicans stopped being conservative a long time ago. Now they're just regressive and backward. Shortsighted too.

As for Reuters' figure of $3.60 a gallon. For what, gas down at the 7-11? Not for certified and tested JP4 and JP5 not to mention DFM which some ships still burn. It hasn't been that cheap for decades. The cost to the military is quite a bit higher. Just go ask a supply officer.
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Yes why not.
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SOMEONE HAD TO TEST THE FIRST COMPUTER OVER AND OVER GAIN!
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Your tax dollars at work.
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It will be expensive to prove biofuels can do the job. Hopefully the costs will decrease if mass production happens. Otherwise they are too expensive
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Fascinating.
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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 6:06:56 PM

WHEN WILL ALTERNATIVE FUELS BECOME CHEAPER THAN OIL? PROBABLY 2 DAYS AFTER EVERYONE IS DEAD.!!!!!!!!!!
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Good point by k2kipp.
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Expensive test. Hope the production stuff is more reasonable??
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Woo way out of line.
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sounds like that fuel needs to get way cheaper!!
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Let's keep developing, but make it cheaper...
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