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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2010 1:08:22 PM

Since recently approving the use of up to 15% ethanol content in gasoline, the EPA now realizes how much difficulty and confusion bringing E15 to pumps could be. The agency is assembling rules for E15, a fuel only approved in use in vehicles 2007 and newer, setting the stage for possible mis-fueling and lawsuits.

While the EPA is busy figuring out how to handle labeling pumps, the National Association for Convenience Stores (NACS) has begun work on solutions that would leave stations not liable for lawsuits because of mis-fueling. The Reformulated Fuels Association (RFA) has also signaled interest in lobbying the bill the NACS is working on. Of course- because with liability resting on stations, E15 would never make its way towards...

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Sneakers55
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2010 9:36:21 PM

Put the international symbol for a gas pump in black, then top it with the international symbol for "NOT" (circle with a bar) over the top.
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Sneakers55
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2010 11:55:18 AM

Mr. Yuk might be a good idea.
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OHMS
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2010 1:54:53 PM

Ethanol is a solvent; no topping off; those labels could come as unglued as the EPA
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joelimo
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2010 9:04:40 AM

honda0105,,,it's Far worse in colder climates than down south,,,
cold starts with ANY Ethocrap makes the engine (any engine) run Terrible,,,
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ktyson13
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2010 6:09:59 AM

Another huge waste of our TAX dollars. Ethanol costs more to produce than it provides in energy, a true lose, lose situation.
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honda0105
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2010 5:30:43 AM

250Ford: that may be true for northern climates. In the South it's not good - after all, EtOH is volatile and we have LOTS of warmth to evaporate the stuff right out of your tank.
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nc43bike
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2010 3:19:26 PM

*250FORD*

Where do you live?

I will ship you the ethanol I'm separating from MY fuel; you can have it all. ;-)
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nc43bike
Champion Author North Carolina

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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2010 3:17:34 PM

Why should the gov't be expected to think ahead about the consequences of the forced sale of E15, when all they are wanting are the pay-offs from the corn industry?
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RoadManJimC
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2010 9:31:39 AM

Just get 'RID OF E15' and don't worry about a STUPID LABEL?
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remay
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 10:51:34 PM

Oh, gee, let's have another cash for "non-e15" "clunkers" recall

[Edited by: remay at 10/16/2010 11:52:04 PM EST]
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250FORD
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 8:46:24 PM

I will use it in my older vehicles. I have used up to 24% with no issues. As a matter of fact I have seen the same mpg's with 24% as with 10% and 0%.
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gs7101
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 6:25:39 AM

This E15 will create a lot of headaches. I just hope people will read the gas pumps before filling their tanks.
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ENORMS
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 5:40:22 AM

EPA may be going away...then what?
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NekoSJG
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 3:09:02 AM

If only we had a choice at the pump then the public would decide.
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10k
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 2:11:46 AM

i can tell the EPA how to label the engine killing E-15: label it as E0, with the drunks drinking the alcohol that was gonna be added to the good gas..

ethanol is another unnecessary government waste that should be eliminated NOW !!!..
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Fitwit
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 2:09:52 AM

Don't use it and we won't have to worry about how to label it.
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 2:03:59 AM

it prob won't happen here in our part of Iowa for some time.
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1fulltank
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 1:49:09 AM

Amazing that "they" are still forcing ethanol down the filler pipe of a public that clearly doesn't want it.
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nurdco
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 1:35:18 AM

Pumper BEWARE...LIABILITY
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Grismer
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 1:35:07 AM

The EPA is jumping through hoops to facilitate a gasoline dilution measure that is fundamentally flawed. Culpable deniability takes precedence environmental responsibility.
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HA4CNN
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 1:25:13 AM

Lets get rid of ethanol altogether it just is not beneficial.
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 1:18:29 AM

not selling flex fuild out here
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TIGERPAW46
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 1:10:48 AM

Ethanol: (1) lowers gas mpg., {2) caused more pollution than any savings.
(3) may damage some older vehicles, Marine motors & small engines. like yard equip;(5) 15% ethanol use will void most, even new, Auto warranties. Read your Manual.
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ysmc
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 1:10:26 AM

I cleaned stetescioe hoses with 70% isopropyl alcohol and soon all the rubber tubings going to the ear pieces were cracked, crumbling, and useless.
Had to buy new ones.

If the same thing happens in vehicles we re in big trouble.

This is one thing that needs more testing before pit into practice.
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speedys
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 1:09:34 AM

I am with you "Saturn93".
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DellDude2
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 1:09:20 AM

Good one, pyndasky!
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jcurley
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 1:01:39 AM

You said it Saturn93.

May I mention that a lot of those representatives from those midwest, corn-growing states are republican (soon to be tea partiers).

And yet, by using ethanol, that money otherwise would have went to the middle east and provided more funding for who knows what.
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Saturn93
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 12:58:48 AM

The only way to get rid of this ridiculous ethanol mess is to lobby your Congressman/woman. Unfortunately, a majority of states grow significant corn crops, so naturally those Congressmen are going to support farmers in their states by voting for ethanol bills. And the farm lobby is strong. Just another reason why we need a serious house cleaning this next election.
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TIGERPAW46
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 12:44:50 AM

Another Gov. mandate despite numerous studies showing Ethanol is not only wasteful but causing more pollution than what it saves. Mainly due to burning forest and loss of trees for conversion of C-monoxide to dioxide etc. plus it is harmful to Engine seals etc in older autos.
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billy44bo
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 12:44:04 AM

CALL your congress man and tell him to grow a pair and stop this crap if he wants a job in January
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comprof
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 12:37:43 AM

hubcapLA: I like your comment.
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grouch311
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 12:32:53 AM

should have been figured out before now.
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52MPG
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 12:29:35 AM

More costly and unintended problems created by the government.
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hubcapLA
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 12:15:42 AM

I'll drive further to keep from using it.
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vulcan96
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 12:14:08 AM

EPA is now run by idiots and need to be eliminated.
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Jarol
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 12:09:29 AM

What is the effect on older cars?
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hybridaholic
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 12:08:31 AM

We will never use it unless they mandate pure gas be banned. (Which will probably happen in the next 5 years)
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judgemobile
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 12:08:17 AM

start a NEW Cash for Clunkers program in which the government buys all cars older than 2007 and gives every such owner a FREE 2007 or newer Government Motors (GM) car. When you talk of TRILLIONS, what's a few more billion added to the deficit ?? And this would not only achieve their energy aims, and even get some votes.
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KMac24
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 12:04:17 AM

great maybe they can buy all the old cars a make everyone buy a 07 or newer
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Buddy2264
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2010 11:54:38 PM

What will it do to old engines? Conservation keeps your money in your pocket.
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geepy
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2010 11:47:53 PM

burn alcohol the gas companies will lose money.. who is behind it follow the money trail and who has what to lose
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rxman1
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2010 11:46:29 PM

They should be labelling all the pumps now. How are we supposed to know what product we are getting. They make the printing on drug packages smaller and smaller due to all that has to be on the label and they can not label a gas pump to tell us what percentage of ethanol is in the pump. Ridiculous.
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pyndasky
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2010 11:41:41 PM

how about make the pumps in the shape of a giant ear of corn or a moonshine barrel...
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heysailor
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2010 11:37:59 PM

Put a Mr. Yuck sticker on the pump.
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swepson
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2010 11:34:27 PM

I've got a great idea of what they can do with all their ethanol, but they won't let me say it here. But it will probably hurt.
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TFzoom
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2010 11:34:20 PM

Lucky jrsva, according to gasbuddy a few weeks ago 100% gas is very rare.

I think the onus should be on the driver. Each of us should be aware of what we put in the tanks. Too many variations for the suppliers to separate. Many in this forum state they only purchase certain grades, confirming we have the ability to accept the responsibility.
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Bleeder
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2010 11:34:09 PM

Let's just get rid of it and then we won't have to worry about labeling it.
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unicornpmb
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2010 11:33:38 PM

Good time to be thinking about that.
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2010 11:32:44 PM

I say feed the corn to the cattle and leave fuel to hydrogen power.
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2010 11:29:38 PM

“Color the pumps green. Because thats [sic] the color of your money....”

No, green is now used for diesel pumps. Someone earlier suggested purple but that’s the federal safety color for radiation hazard. Hmmm . . . maybe that’s a good idea; if people think it is radioactive they will stay away from it.
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