Not Logged In Log In   Sign Up   Points Leaders
Follow Us    3:59 PM

Message Forum - Read Message

Category: GasBuddy Official Blog > Topics Add to favorite topics   Post new topicPost New Topic
Author Topic: EPA wary of how to handle labeling E15 Back to Topics
PD

Moderator
Message Posted: Oct 15, 2010 1:08:22 PM

Since recently approving the use of up to 15% ethanol content in gasoline, the EPA now realizes how much difficulty and confusion bringing E15 to pumps could be. The agency is assembling rules for E15, a fuel only approved in use in vehicles 2007 and newer, setting the stage for possible mis-fueling and lawsuits.

While the EPA is busy figuring out how to handle labeling pumps, the National Association for Convenience Stores (NACS) has begun work on solutions that would leave stations not liable for lawsuits because of mis-fueling. The Reformulated Fuels Association (RFA) has also signaled interest in lobbying the bill the NACS is working on. Of course- because with liability resting on stations, E15 would never make its way towards...

Visit GasBuddy Blog for full article
REPLIES (newest first) Post a Reply
Profile Pic
Sneakers55
Champion Author Houston

Posts:60,604
Points:2,538,135
Joined:Nov 2005
Message Posted: Oct 23, 2010 9:36:21 PM

Put the international symbol for a gas pump in black, then top it with the international symbol for "NOT" (circle with a bar) over the top.
Profile Pic
Sneakers55
Champion Author Houston

Posts:60,604
Points:2,538,135
Joined:Nov 2005
Message Posted: Oct 22, 2010 11:55:18 AM

Mr. Yuk might be a good idea.
Profile Pic
OHMS
Champion Author Orange County

Posts:15,987
Points:2,132,270
Joined:May 2005
Message Posted: Oct 18, 2010 1:54:53 PM

Ethanol is a solvent; no topping off; those labels could come as unglued as the EPA
Profile Pic
joelimo
Champion Author New York

Posts:93,489
Points:2,837,250
Joined:Aug 2006
Message Posted: Oct 18, 2010 9:04:40 AM

honda0105,,,it's Far worse in colder climates than down south,,,
cold starts with ANY Ethocrap makes the engine (any engine) run Terrible,,,
Profile Pic
ktyson13
Champion Author Maryland

Posts:2,128
Points:615,840
Joined:Aug 2010
Message Posted: Oct 18, 2010 6:09:59 AM

Another huge waste of our TAX dollars. Ethanol costs more to produce than it provides in energy, a true lose, lose situation.
Profile Pic
honda0105
Champion Author Tallahassee

Posts:22,172
Points:2,058,065
Joined:Nov 2008
Message Posted: Oct 18, 2010 5:30:43 AM

250Ford: that may be true for northern climates. In the South it's not good - after all, EtOH is volatile and we have LOTS of warmth to evaporate the stuff right out of your tank.
Profile Pic
nc43bike
Champion Author North Carolina

Posts:14,651
Points:3,351,015
Joined:Feb 2004
Message Posted: Oct 17, 2010 3:19:26 PM

*250FORD*

Where do you live?

I will ship you the ethanol I'm separating from MY fuel; you can have it all. ;-)
Profile Pic
nc43bike
Champion Author North Carolina

Posts:14,651
Points:3,351,015
Joined:Feb 2004
Message Posted: Oct 17, 2010 3:17:34 PM

Why should the gov't be expected to think ahead about the consequences of the forced sale of E15, when all they are wanting are the pay-offs from the corn industry?
Profile Pic
RoadManJimC
Champion Author Chico

Posts:1,231
Points:181,340
Joined:Aug 2010
Message Posted: Oct 17, 2010 9:31:39 AM

Just get 'RID OF E15' and don't worry about a STUPID LABEL?
Profile Pic
remay
Champion Author Houston

Posts:8,906
Points:2,557,190
Joined:May 2006
Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 10:51:34 PM

Oh, gee, let's have another cash for "non-e15" "clunkers" recall

[Edited by: remay at 10/16/2010 11:52:04 PM EST]
Profile Pic
250FORD
Champion Author Minnesota

Posts:8,334
Points:1,306,260
Joined:Feb 2007
Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 8:46:24 PM

I will use it in my older vehicles. I have used up to 24% with no issues. As a matter of fact I have seen the same mpg's with 24% as with 10% and 0%.
Profile Pic
gs7101
Champion Author San Antonio

Posts:7,579
Points:518,170
Joined:Jun 2009
Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 6:25:39 AM

This E15 will create a lot of headaches. I just hope people will read the gas pumps before filling their tanks.
Profile Pic
ENORMS
Champion Author Colorado

Posts:3,024
Points:1,994,110
Joined:Sep 2006
Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 5:40:22 AM

EPA may be going away...then what?
Profile Pic
NekoSJG
Champion Author San Jose

Posts:5,168
Points:977,425
Joined:Jun 2010
Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 3:09:02 AM

If only we had a choice at the pump then the public would decide.
Profile Pic
10k
Champion Author North Carolina

Posts:24,179
Points:2,701,025
Joined:May 2006
Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 2:11:46 AM

i can tell the EPA how to label the engine killing E-15: label it as E0, with the drunks drinking the alcohol that was gonna be added to the good gas..

ethanol is another unnecessary government waste that should be eliminated NOW !!!..
Profile Pic
Fitwit
Champion Author Stockton

Posts:8,419
Points:1,779,515
Joined:May 2009
Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 2:09:52 AM

Don't use it and we won't have to worry about how to label it.
Profile Pic
jdhelm
Champion Author Iowa

Posts:15,121
Points:1,638,065
Joined:Dec 2009
Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 2:03:59 AM

it prob won't happen here in our part of Iowa for some time.
Profile Pic
1fulltank
Champion Author Buffalo

Posts:9,818
Points:1,957,445
Joined:Nov 2008
Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 1:49:09 AM

Amazing that "they" are still forcing ethanol down the filler pipe of a public that clearly doesn't want it.
Profile Pic
nurdco
Champion Author Colorado Springs

Posts:12,299
Points:2,142,590
Joined:Apr 2008
Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 1:35:18 AM

Pumper BEWARE...LIABILITY
Profile Pic
Grismer
Champion Author Kitchener-Waterloo

Posts:10,651
Points:2,171,570
Joined:Apr 2008
Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 1:35:07 AM

The EPA is jumping through hoops to facilitate a gasoline dilution measure that is fundamentally flawed. Culpable deniability takes precedence environmental responsibility.
Profile Pic
HA4CNN
Champion Author Toronto

Posts:7,533
Points:1,950,505
Joined:Dec 2006
Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 1:25:13 AM

Lets get rid of ethanol altogether it just is not beneficial.
Profile Pic
kslgas
Champion Author Calgary

Posts:2,584
Points:2,008,000
Joined:Apr 2007
Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 1:18:29 AM

not selling flex fuild out here
Profile Pic
TIGERPAW46
Champion Author Florida

Posts:9,252
Points:1,788,535
Joined:Mar 2004
Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 1:10:48 AM

Ethanol: (1) lowers gas mpg., {2) caused more pollution than any savings.
(3) may damage some older vehicles, Marine motors & small engines. like yard equip;(5) 15% ethanol use will void most, even new, Auto warranties. Read your Manual.
Profile Pic
ysmc
Champion Author Providence

Posts:12,724
Points:2,439,605
Joined:Apr 2007
Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 1:10:26 AM

I cleaned stetescioe hoses with 70% isopropyl alcohol and soon all the rubber tubings going to the ear pieces were cracked, crumbling, and useless.
Had to buy new ones.

If the same thing happens in vehicles we re in big trouble.

This is one thing that needs more testing before pit into practice.
Profile Pic
speedys
Champion Author Utah

Posts:9,130
Points:3,006,085
Joined:Nov 2005
Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 1:09:34 AM

I am with you "Saturn93".
Profile Pic
DellDude2
Champion Author Nashville

Posts:11,871
Points:2,570,710
Joined:Aug 2005
Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 1:09:20 AM

Good one, pyndasky!
Profile Pic
jcurley
Champion Author California

Posts:9,700
Points:2,205,685
Joined:Dec 2007
Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 1:01:39 AM

You said it Saturn93.

May I mention that a lot of those representatives from those midwest, corn-growing states are republican (soon to be tea partiers).

And yet, by using ethanol, that money otherwise would have went to the middle east and provided more funding for who knows what.
Profile Pic
Saturn93
Champion Author Salt Lake City

Posts:7,292
Points:1,640,885
Joined:Oct 2006
Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 12:58:48 AM

The only way to get rid of this ridiculous ethanol mess is to lobby your Congressman/woman. Unfortunately, a majority of states grow significant corn crops, so naturally those Congressmen are going to support farmers in their states by voting for ethanol bills. And the farm lobby is strong. Just another reason why we need a serious house cleaning this next election.
Profile Pic
TIGERPAW46
Champion Author Florida

Posts:9,252
Points:1,788,535
Joined:Mar 2004
Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 12:44:50 AM

Another Gov. mandate despite numerous studies showing Ethanol is not only wasteful but causing more pollution than what it saves. Mainly due to burning forest and loss of trees for conversion of C-monoxide to dioxide etc. plus it is harmful to Engine seals etc in older autos.
Profile Pic
billy44bo
Champion Author Mobile

Posts:9,206
Points:1,929,765
Joined:Feb 2008
Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 12:44:04 AM

CALL your congress man and tell him to grow a pair and stop this crap if he wants a job in January
Profile Pic
comprof
Champion Author Houston

Posts:9,163
Points:1,802,750
Joined:Jul 2009
Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 12:37:43 AM

hubcapLA: I like your comment.
Profile Pic
grouch311
Champion Author Peoria

Posts:6,610
Points:1,923,045
Joined:Jun 2007
Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 12:32:53 AM

should have been figured out before now.
Profile Pic
52MPG
Champion Author Dayton

Posts:9,386
Points:2,188,525
Joined:Apr 2006
Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 12:29:35 AM

More costly and unintended problems created by the government.
Profile Pic
hubcapLA
Champion Author Louisiana

Posts:3,905
Points:940,435
Joined:Apr 2009
Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 12:15:42 AM

I'll drive further to keep from using it.
Profile Pic
vulcan96
Champion Author Ohio

Posts:27,181
Points:3,133,135
Joined:Aug 2004
Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 12:14:08 AM

EPA is now run by idiots and need to be eliminated.
Profile Pic
Jarol
Champion Author Iowa

Posts:10,550
Points:2,038,865
Joined:Nov 2007
Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 12:09:29 AM

What is the effect on older cars?
Profile Pic
hybridaholic
Champion Author Appleton

Posts:10,520
Points:1,998,855
Joined:Dec 2008
Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 12:08:31 AM

We will never use it unless they mandate pure gas be banned. (Which will probably happen in the next 5 years)
Profile Pic
judgemobile
Champion Author Ohio

Posts:9,699
Points:2,893,135
Joined:Nov 2005
Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 12:08:17 AM

start a NEW Cash for Clunkers program in which the government buys all cars older than 2007 and gives every such owner a FREE 2007 or newer Government Motors (GM) car. When you talk of TRILLIONS, what's a few more billion added to the deficit ?? And this would not only achieve their energy aims, and even get some votes.
Profile Pic
KMac24
Veteran Author Georgia

Posts:389
Points:2,006,995
Joined:Jun 2007
Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 12:04:17 AM

great maybe they can buy all the old cars a make everyone buy a 07 or newer
Profile Pic
Buddy2264
Champion Author Tampa

Posts:13,834
Points:2,808,170
Joined:Oct 2005
Message Posted: Oct 15, 2010 11:54:38 PM

What will it do to old engines? Conservation keeps your money in your pocket.
Profile Pic
geepy
All-Star Author Long Island

Posts:794
Points:540,170
Joined:Aug 2009
Message Posted: Oct 15, 2010 11:47:53 PM

burn alcohol the gas companies will lose money.. who is behind it follow the money trail and who has what to lose
Profile Pic
rxman1
Champion Author Toledo

Posts:11,818
Points:2,308,395
Joined:Nov 2007
Message Posted: Oct 15, 2010 11:46:29 PM

They should be labelling all the pumps now. How are we supposed to know what product we are getting. They make the printing on drug packages smaller and smaller due to all that has to be on the label and they can not label a gas pump to tell us what percentage of ethanol is in the pump. Ridiculous.
Profile Pic
pyndasky
Champion Author Maryland

Posts:12,217
Points:2,230,005
Joined:May 2008
Message Posted: Oct 15, 2010 11:41:41 PM

how about make the pumps in the shape of a giant ear of corn or a moonshine barrel...
Profile Pic
heysailor
Champion Author Pittsburgh

Posts:11,703
Points:2,778,105
Joined:Mar 2006
Message Posted: Oct 15, 2010 11:37:59 PM

Put a Mr. Yuck sticker on the pump.
Profile Pic
swepson
Champion Author Greensboro

Posts:7,611
Points:1,965,060
Joined:Jul 2008
Message Posted: Oct 15, 2010 11:34:27 PM

I've got a great idea of what they can do with all their ethanol, but they won't let me say it here. But it will probably hurt.
Profile Pic
TFzoom
Champion Author Chicago

Posts:1,101
Points:1,279,460
Joined:Jun 2008
Message Posted: Oct 15, 2010 11:34:20 PM

Lucky jrsva, according to gasbuddy a few weeks ago 100% gas is very rare.

I think the onus should be on the driver. Each of us should be aware of what we put in the tanks. Too many variations for the suppliers to separate. Many in this forum state they only purchase certain grades, confirming we have the ability to accept the responsibility.
Profile Pic
Bleeder
Champion Author Virginia

Posts:8,073
Points:2,016,450
Joined:Jan 2008
Message Posted: Oct 15, 2010 11:34:09 PM

Let's just get rid of it and then we won't have to worry about labeling it.
Profile Pic
unicornpmb
Champion Author Buffalo

Posts:10,624
Points:2,077,795
Joined:Sep 2005
Message Posted: Oct 15, 2010 11:33:38 PM

Good time to be thinking about that.
Profile Pic
Bubba44612
Champion Author Ohio

Posts:9,450
Points:2,319,275
Joined:Aug 2005
Message Posted: Oct 15, 2010 11:32:44 PM

I say feed the corn to the cattle and leave fuel to hydrogen power.
Profile Pic
jrsva
Champion Author Virginia

Posts:12,167
Points:2,060,200
Joined:Jan 2006
Message Posted: Oct 15, 2010 11:29:38 PM

“Color the pumps green. Because thats [sic] the color of your money....”

No, green is now used for diesel pumps. Someone earlier suggested purple but that’s the federal safety color for radiation hazard. Hmmm . . . maybe that’s a good idea; if people think it is radioactive they will stay away from it.
Post a reply Back to Topics