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riviera1963NJ

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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2008 2:02:19 AM

CITGO AND LUKOIL
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TommyR
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Message Posted: Jul 10, 2009 8:46:31 AM

Hey, If the shoe fits wear it. Some folks (hypocrites) like to bash others and when they get it back, suddenly the other guy is acting childish? LMAO! You thin skinned fellows need to put on your big boy pants and get over it or get out of the kitchen.

I will continue to boycott Citgo along with many others. This boycott is for reasons other than to strike back at Big Oil or lower the prices. Someone posted here they would buy Citgo if they had one near them. Now isn't that acting childish in a feeble attempt to push my buttons? What about the other fellow who is the self appointed forum Wikpedia definition king?

GB, I agree. I haven't hit the ignore button on anyone. Others have told me they have. That was their choice. I actually find the arrogance of some here amusing entertainment. ;-)
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CaptSquid
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Message Posted: Jul 9, 2009 9:07:02 PM

TommyR:

“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.”

Abraham Lincoln
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In the one week that this "discussion" has been going on, you have made statements that are nothing but pure fallacies. You have been proven wrong each and every time. Now, you are acting like a child, simply because you've been proven wrong.

[Edited by: CaptSquid at 7/9/2009 10:07:26 PM EST]
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jul 9, 2009 4:43:13 PM

TommyR:
For your sense of humor (definitely not mine), in a related thread I made several comments either on boycotts or not buying at certain stations or something like that, and I had one individual - not who I think you're thinking of - just slam the hell out of me, telling me to pull my head out of my...... that I'm dumber (or more explicit) than anyone else here, that I'm apparently and obviously (to everyone) ignorant about everything related to gas, gas stations, profit margins, etc.) Not just criticized but slammed severely and publicly because I had a differing opinion than he did. However, I haven't brought myself to hit the ignore buttons on anyone. I would rather accept they're not always as courteous as I would like, than shut off their possible occasional spurts of common sense or intelligence which might make me rethink my views.
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TommyR
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Message Posted: Jul 9, 2009 10:44:23 AM

There it is again. Here that?

I recieved a couple of messages from folks who hit their ignore buttons on a certain fellow here who they described as a forum bully. I wonder who that could be?

Long live the Citgo Boycott!

[Edited by: TommyR at 7/9/2009 11:44:44 AM EST]
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gas_too_high
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Message Posted: Jul 9, 2009 8:45:46 AM

Locally there are only a few Citgo stations -- none close to me. The one nearby Citgo closed last year. It was never really competitive in price and had the usual prepay requirements that I avoid, but had I been able to get past those, I still would have avoided putting money in Hugo Chavez's pocket. (I think Citgo is now under non-Venezuela ownership -- not sure).

tammcurdy69/GasBuddy: (comments about Speedway)

Most GB members here in Columbus avoid Speedway (aka $peedway Greedy etc) primarily because they drive all the gas price spikes in this market.

GTH

[Edited by: gas_too_high at 7/9/2009 9:45:58 AM EST]
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sluggopyle
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Message Posted: Jul 9, 2009 12:26:45 AM

Tommy's main purpose here is to keep this moribund thread alive. The originator left a cryptic OP with no explanation and abandoned it, prolly knowing it was ill-conceived from the start. But TR doesn't let a little thing like dearth of reasoning stand in his way. He's got myths to feed.

I would like Tommy to know however that my last week's NJ trip was fueled almost entirely by Citgo --again. Special thanks to two thriving stations in York PA that got me in and out. I got a station picture or two I'll be putting up soon so we can all see how they're "suffering" from this Boycott of the Mind.

And btw TR, the rest room was immaculate.
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CaptSquid
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Message Posted: Jul 8, 2009 10:30:06 PM

Childish response, just as I expected, TommyR.
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TommyR
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Message Posted: Jul 8, 2009 9:01:26 PM

Did someone say something?
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CaptSquid
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Message Posted: Jul 8, 2009 7:47:17 PM

Actually, TommyR, you are just avoiding CITGO. They don't notice your absence one bit.
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TommyR
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Message Posted: Jul 8, 2009 5:49:12 PM

We all must deal with the choices we make rumbleseat. I'm still boycotting Citgo.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jul 8, 2009 9:55:38 AM

I'm not quite sure what to make of tammcurdy69's:
"i never buy my gas from anywhere that i dont always get it from i use Food City and Speedway thats the only too places that i get my gas from i have had bad experiences with getting gas and i dont want to do it anymore bc i hate when u get gas and ur car just starts acting really funny and u dont know y then u get it checked out and find out that u got bad gas from some where thanks for the heads up on those places and letting everyone and me know about them "

You never buy gas from a place you don't always get it from? Meaning that you use one station only?
You use Food City and Speeday but you get bad gas from them? Are you sure it's bad gas? Because if it were, it's likely that others would have reported them and they would have either been closed or fixed their problem. Any station that would be selling "bad gas" (not knowing what you mean by "bad gas") would surely have been heard about by others. Sorry, but you bought gas there and all of a sudden your car started acting funny? Are you sure it was the "bad gas"? Since all gas meets minimum Federal standards, it's somewhat hard to believe that you put in a tank of bad gas and your car started having problems, you switched to something else and the problem was resolved, and then you used the second bad station, got problems, and you again switched (after what, one tank?) and the problem was again resolved. Not saying it didn't or couldn't happen, but it seems like the problem might be something else.

Also, as CaptSquid indicated, it helps if you use some punctuation so we can make quicker and better sense of what you're writing. Just a suggestion is all.
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Message Posted: Jul 8, 2009 1:11:41 AM

I can't tell you how happy we all are that you are insulated from the vagaries of the economy TommyR.
It sure makes it easy to look down on others, doesn't it? Unfortunately, you have a remarkable misunderstanding of the economy in general. Just because a CITGO gas bar attendant may be able to find another job doesn't help the franchise holder who may have hundreds of thousands of dollars invested in the business you would happily shut down.
Tradesman can't work for cash if their prospective customers don't have incomes to pay them with. There is a reason there is a net migration out of places like Alberta right now.
Just because you aren't seeing a recession doesn't mean there isn't one. In Canada, Manitoba and Sakatchewan are relatively unscathed as well, however Ontario and Alberta are hurting big-time. Ask Detroit how things are going there.
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TommyR
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Message Posted: Jul 7, 2009 5:30:15 PM

rumbleseat, Citgo pump jockeys and convienience store clerks can likely find work easier than Engineers. Tradespeople can always work for cash. There is always something to be done if you look. A recession? The restaraunts and malls are very busy and have been since the start of the "recession" here in NJ. My career is and always has been insulated from any economic downturns.
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CaptSquid
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Message Posted: Jul 7, 2009 4:40:03 PM

tammcurdy69, is your keyboard malfunctioning? You have NO punctuation in your run-on sentence and your Shift Key doesn't seem to operate well.

Y, U, BC and UR are NOT words.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Jul 7, 2009 11:52:15 AM

TommyR says "If I were a CITGO station owner I'd look for a new company".
First thing you said that almost made sense. If you were an independent dealer that purchased under contract, you would have that option. However, if you were a franchise holder, you would be a poor businessman if you just dumped your franchise fees down the toilet, and then paid for a new franchise with another company. In some cases, you may own the franchise, but if the compnay holds the land ownership, or the land lease, you also have no choices.
Life isn't as simple as it looks sometimes.
And to think everybody would just find another job? Ludicrous. There are engineers and tradespeople looking for jobs now. There is a world-wide recession going on, remember?
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tammcurdy69
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Message Posted: Jul 7, 2009 7:42:07 AM

i never buy my gas from anywhere that i dont always get it from i use Food City and Speedway thats the only too places that i get my gas from i have had bad experiences with getting gas and i dont want to do it anymore bc i hate when u get gas and ur car just starts acting really funny and u dont know y then u get it checked out and find out that u got bad gas from some where thanks for the heads up on those places and letting everyone and me know about them
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TommyR
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Message Posted: Jul 7, 2009 6:06:43 AM

Don't hold back Rumbleseat. Tell us how you really feel. The Citgo workers can find work with the company that would replace Citgo or the stations can simply pick up a new oil company brand. It's not like gas attendants and convienience store clerks wouldn't be able to find the same type of employment. If I was a Citgo station owner I'd look for a new company and dump Citgo.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Jul 6, 2009 10:15:47 PM

TommyR, you should be ashamed of yourself. You advocate, and you are not the first, boycotting CITGO, with out regard for the possible effect on your fellow citizens.

CITGO is headquartered in the US, and directoly employs several thousand Americans, you friends, your neighbours, and your family.

CITGO supplies thousands of stations not owned by CITGO, stations owned and operated by businessmen who are your friends, neighbours, and family.

These stations employ many thousands more of your friends, neighbours, and family, including many who are saving money for college, lessening the financial burdens on the parents.

You have no problem with threatening the livelihood of every one of these people, that attitude is despicable.

Finally, if CITGO were to actually disappear, along with many jobs that would never be replaced, the reality is the loss of a competitor in some areas of the country would result in higher pricing.

PDVSA owns CITGO, not vice versa by the way. CITGO is a subsidiary company.
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CaptSquid
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Message Posted: Jul 6, 2009 10:10:53 AM

They're not Wikipedia facts, TommyR. Those are facts I learned long before the Internet was "invented" by Al Gore and long before DARPANET.

By all means, continue to boycott CITGO and hurt your local businesses; that is, hurt your local businesses if they notice your absence at all. PDVSA doesn't even know, or care, that you exist at all. But please, don't spread untruths about company ownership.
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TommyR
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Message Posted: Jul 6, 2009 5:43:38 AM

My "fiction" CaptSquid? LOL! If a little sarcasm sends your blood pressure up you must not watch talk/debate shows on TV. Ok, you stick with your recitation of Wikpedia facts and I'll continue to boycott Citgo. By all means if you feel the need to get the last parting shot in, go ahead I'm not as sensitive.
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CaptSquid
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 10:39:47 AM

That was not criticism, TommyR, and you know it. That was unvarnished sarcasm.

Since this "discussion" has narrowed down to differences in opinion between you and I and facts and your fiction, I suggest that both of us quit this "discussion" completely and let it die.
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TommyR
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 6:13:05 AM

Sorry CaptSquid, but I don't play that game. If you think that was an insult you are too sensitive to criticism and have very thin skin.
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CaptSquid
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:36:49 PM

Don't lower yourself to insults, TommyR, because that's what you just did.
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TommyR
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:11:51 PM

LOL! You & "everyone else" must live in the land of Oz then CaptSquid. Do you still believe in the Eater Bunny, Tooth Fairy & Co? I keep things real.
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CaptSquid
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:32:21 AM

Maybe in your world, but not in everyone else's.
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TommyR
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:54:29 AM

My dear CaptSquid, I am really impressed with your encyclopedia like knowledge of history & governments. However, in the real world the way things operate are quite different.
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CaptSquid
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Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 5:13:41 PM

The United States is a REPUBLIC. We elect public officials to, supposedly, vote to represent their constituency. A democracy is one person, one vote. Remember the Pledge of Allegiance? "... and to the REPUBLIC ..."

Republic - a representative democracy in which the people's elected deputies (representatives), not the people themselves, vote on legislation.

Care to deliver more "facts," TommyR?
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TommyR
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Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 4:44:11 PM

"The elections in Venezuela were not bogus; the elections in Iran were"

LOL! Capt. Squid. Are we being a bit selective in our bogus elections? Simply writing a lot doesn't change the reality. If it makes you feel better that the Venezuelan elections were on the up and up, by all means continue to delude yourself.

The USA is supposed to be a "Democracy" with our elected officials representing the peoples wishes. In reality the Lobbyists and Special Interests carry all the sway with our elected officials of either party.



[Edited by: TommyR at 7/3/2009 5:47:17 PM EST]
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CaptSquid
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Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 2:18:44 PM

Citgo is but a portion of PDVSA. It is NOT PDVSA in its entirety, nor is Rupert Murdoch FOX News. 6% is still 6%; it doesn't matter how big the pie is.

The elections in Venezuela were not bogus; the elections in Iran were.

Hitler was NOT elected; the party was and Hitler was APPOINTED Kanzler. Following the death of Paul Ludwig Hans Anton von Beneckendorff und von Hindenburg, as Kanzler, Adolf Hitler assumed the position of Führer (leader), not President, and promptly abolished all political parties except the National Socialist German Workers Party. Following the demise of the Weimar Republic, Germany WAS a dictatorship until 1945.

Dictatorship - a form of government in which a ruler or small clique wield absolute power (not restricted by a constitution or laws).

Federal republic - a state in which the powers of the central government are restricted and in which the component parts (states, colonies, or provinces) retain a degree of self-government; ultimate sovereign power rests with the voters who chose their governmental representatives.

Keep it up, TommyR.
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TommyR
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Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 12:16:49 PM

6% of a Billion dollar company is not chump change Capt. Squid. You & Venezuela can call Venezuela a "Federal Presidential Republic" if it makes you feel better. In reality we all know it's essentially a Dictatorship with bogus elections. Hitler was also "elected" if you like to study history. Saying CITGO is not the same as PDVSA is like saying Rupert Murdoch is not FOX News Channel. You've missed a lot of facts or rather conveniently twisted them.
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CaptSquid
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Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 11:57:38 AM

TommyR, PDVSA is NOT the same as Citgo. Citgo is a wholly owned subsidiary of PDVSA. 6% is NOT a "nice" chunk of anything.

PDVSA owns or has a sizable interest in at least 13 oil companies.

Venezuela is a Federal Presidential Republic, not a socialist country. Although Hugo Chávez Fria has socialist leanings, he is a duly elected president of his country and, as long as he keeps his constituency happy, will continue to be re-elected.

Are there any other DEMOCRATIC facts that I may have missed?
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Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 11:15:15 AM

Lukoil
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TommyR
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Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 5:29:39 AM

Capt. Squid, 6% is in fact a nice chunk of Citgo. Where did I say Chavez owned it all? Better check YOUR fact before you post. Citgo/PDVSA is the same thing. You sound like the Republicans spinng the truth. At least you picked up a new fan in mikey.
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 5:45:08 PM

Hugo Chavez owns only 6% of PDVSA stock, which owns Citgo. Citgo is NOT the nationalized oil company of Venezuela.

Check your facts before opening your mouth, TommyR.
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TommyR
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 4:20:50 PM

This topic will never die. Thanks for asking paoli8. Some boycott Lukoil because it is Russian owned. Some boycott Citgo because of Hugh Chavez the Venezuelan "President" (Dictator) who hates America and owns a nice chunk of Citgo, the nationalized oil company of Socialist Venezuela.
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paoli8
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 12:13:01 PM

Why boycott CITGO AND LUKOIL?
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TommyR
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Message Posted: Jun 30, 2009 6:39:49 AM

It's rater amusing to see I've gotten so far under your apparently thin skin mikey.
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sluggopyle
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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2009 3:32:40 PM

Mike, I believe he's talking about this meaningless thread.
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TommyR
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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2009 3:29:36 PM

tommyr types..Another one bites the dust.
tommyr..What exactly does that mean?

If you can't plainly see what it means mike, you wouldn't understand if it has to be explained to you.
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2009 2:23:48 PM


TommyR:
Thanks. As far as I knew it was still a Citgo. "Fuel Express" has been a fuel management activity with a fleet fueling credit card that's accepted at numerous gas stations; it allows companies (fleets) to manage and control expenses, allows limits to how much can be spent, whether spending is at the pump or in the store or restaurant, etc. Amount other stations that accept the Fuel Express card are Exxon, Union 76, Citgo, and as well as other major brands and smaller chains. I didn't realize that they had, apparently, started to operate gas stations under their brand name. It's also possible that Fuel Express doesn't operate stations under their own name and that the former Citgo simply uses a common, non-trademarked name for the station (in the same manner as there are multiple unaffiliated "Gas and Go's", "Speedy Gas", etc.

That said, have you seen anything that suggests why the Edison Citgo changed brands other than belief? I haven't seen anything suggesting they were boycotted, let alone boycotted significantly enough to cause them to terminate their franchise agreement with Citgo. Few, if any, gas stations terminate their franchise agreement before the end of the agreement, and in the lack of any other information, my inclination is think that at the end of their agreement they simply changed brands to reduce costs (not having to pay a franchise fee). I'm not saying you're wrong; I'm just saying I haven't seen anything to remotely suggest a boycott made them give up the Citgo brand. Can you provide any reliable sources to bolster your view?

And trust me, I'm not trying to be critical; I'm trying to give your view the benefit of the doubt.

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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2009 12:45:17 PM

all citgos need to go
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TommyR
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2009 6:54:29 AM

GB, the Citgo on Rt. 27 near Talmadge Rd. in Edison is now a Fuel Express. Another one bites the dust.
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2009 9:38:18 PM

I may have missed it but I haven't been able to find anything that indicates a boycott of Citgo gas stations in Edison New Jersey resulted in the closing of or a rebanding of a Citgo branded gas station. Or any gas station in Edison recently for that matter. Can someone provide a link go a valid website that indicates this (and not an "I hate Citgo" or "Boycott Venezuela oil" type website?

The only Citgo I'm familiar with in Edison is one on, I think it's Route 27. I thought that was still a Citgo? Has that rebranded recently?
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2009 7:47:05 PM

The "Americans" that may work at Citgo can likely find new employment rater easily at another gas station/convienience store. They are making minimum wage or not much above that. It's not like they are highly skilled employees. For the record, I'm not trying to degrade them, just making a point. Yet another Citgo has closed up in Edison, NJ to become an independent brand. The boycott is working!
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2009 12:50:43 PM

Stations change their brand affiliation all the time. In addition brands go into new areas and pull out of established areas all the time as well. Just because a station changes brand or goes out of business does not mean a thing.
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2009 11:57:01 AM

When you boycott CITGO, you hurt the AMERICAN men and women who work there.
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Message Posted: Jun 26, 2009 12:41:02 PM

Okay, here goes my dumb question, following mikerock's post, but
gasnogoGaylor wrote: "well don't know if it was a boycott or not but Citgo in Gaylord has changed to BP - so it seems to be working!"

If you don't know if it was a boycott or not, how can you say "...so it seems to be working!" (even without the exclamation point for emphasis).

Was there a boycott or wasn't there a boycott? If there was, can you provide some details about how the boycott was conducted, what was done, how many demonstrators there were, how long they picketed the station, or something, so we have some perspective? Or was it just that people didn't shop there? I may have missed something, but, assuming Gaylord is in Michigan, I haven't found anything to indicate that there was a "boycott" of any kind. As Citgo doesn't own stations in the U.S. (the franchise them to independent retailers), it's possible that their franchise agreement ran out and either Gaylord Citgo or Citgo corporation didn't want to renew it, or BP offered better financial arrangements.

What you might want to consider doing, since you're so close to the situation, is asking the station operator why they made a change. And then let us know what happened.
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Message Posted: Jun 25, 2009 9:53:07 PM

well don't know if it was a boycott or not but Citgo in Gaylord has changed to BP - so it seems to be working!
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Message Posted: Jun 25, 2009 2:49:13 PM

Discount Gasolines and liquors
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TommyR
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Message Posted: Jun 25, 2009 1:32:34 PM

Enough people are still boycotting Citgo. They wouldn't be airing the fell good PR commercials trying to put an American face on the company if the boycott isn't having an impact.
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